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HubSpot Internal Marketing Memo "Advice on Working with Sales"

Posted by Mike Volpe on Tue, Jul 31, 2012
 

Here is an internal email that I just sent to all of our "segment marketers" (also called "mini-CMOs") who are the marketing leads for each segment (a teams of sales and marketing folks that target a specific customer profile such as small business, SMB or enterprise).  This is a newly created position, and organizationally, we're still figuring it out.  Some of the marketing folks in this job are having the typical challenges of a new CMO / Director / VP of marketing where sales is running over them to other folks int he organization if they are not happy with some small thing.

When sending this email out, I thought it was generally applicable to marketers everywhere, so I thought I would share.  Note that "Roberge" = Mark Roberge, our SVP of Sales and "Halligan" = Brian Halligan, our CEO.

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mike Volpe
Date: Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Subject: Advice on Working with Sales
To: Segment Marketing Team


A few issues around sales / marketing alignment are bubbling up to Roberge and over to me, like concerns around lead quality or lead types from the sales managers.  Don't get upset about this, we hire sales folks because they are not good at taking "no" for an answer.  You want this quality in your sales team, trust me.  But, the goal for the segment alignment is to avoid this as much as possible and have you guys work with the sales managers directly to drive great results in each segment.  If every little thing becomes a Volpe/Roberge issue, we are not scalable.  You guys are a key part of our growth strategy!
Suggestions for improving this situation:
  1. Market your marketing.  Often sales does not know what you are doing to make them successful.  By marketing to them the things you are working on you both give them an opportunity to give some feedback but you also build their understanding.  Apply your external marketing expertise to your internal efforts for your sales team.
  2. Deliver on the numbers.  All of my challenges with Roberge and Halligan go away when the numbers are good.  If there are a lot of leads, they are good quality and sales is selling well, I can kind of do whatever I want.  If those things are not true, I get a lot of scrutiny and spend a lot more of my time selling and justifying what I am doing.
  3. Build sales' confidence in you.  Part of being a great marketer is earning the trust and confidence of your sales team.  If they trust you they will give you more leeway.  There are things I do that Mark would not agree with, but I have earned his trust over 6 years and he knows that more often than not, I do the right things.  This will take time, but you should work on it.
  4. Tell them the buck stops with you.  I am trying to be clear that the path is not from you to me, but you guys have the authority to make decisions and you really run these segments.  You should be clear about this as well.  Partner with the sales managers to attack problems together, keep communication open, and work as a team.
  5. Hold sales accountable.  Sales and marketing alignment is a two way street.  Just as they hold you accountable for lead volume and quality, you should hold them accountable for working the leads effectively and wringing as much revenue out of them as possible.
  6. One Idea: You guys might want to find a time to do lunch or drinks / dinner with the sales managers on your team and yourself and me?  We can use this as an opportunity to start to do the things listed above... 
Thanks,
Mike

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What do you think?  Do you have any advice for our segment marketing team?  Let them know in the comments.

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COMMENTS

Great post. Marketers cannot underestimate the importance of trust with sales -- I tell my people to make sure they are viewed as a resource that really understands the challenges sales faces when trying to make their numbers and not a "cheerleader" who just provides them tools to enable them. Once they view you as a "cheerleader", you will have difficulty re-gaining credibility. 
 
Along the lines of "hold sales accountable" I also tell marketers to challenge sales (just like we tell sales to challenge their customer). As you point out, salespeople don't like taking no for an answer -- but it doesn't mean they are always right. Way too often marketing defers to sales. If sales says the leads are bad, they must be bad, because we all know it can't be due to poor sales execution. Challenge sales on their approach when you know you have enabled them properly and the friction you create will likely lead to even better results.

posted @ Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:35 AM by David A. Frankel


Here's my take... 
 
Sales is marketing's customer. If I make widgets, I have to make the kind of widgets that my customer wants and in the quantity that they want and when they want them. Marketing generates leads, reputation, buzz, etc. and they generate them so that sales can do their job. So, marketing has to get good at determining what sales truly wants and it's not more, better leads. They have to determine how many and what "better" means.

posted @ Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:01 AM by Rick Roberge


You have touched a good point in this wonderful article“ Market your Marketing”. So why not do it in a natural way ? Build Relationship with your Sales. Relations with them could be developed better than what you may have with most Customers as you work for the same Goal. Engaging Sales and looking them as partners to achieve the Goal would help reduce any blame game. Sales and Marketing could be more effective working as a team, working in harmony specially during bad times with relationships build on facts and mutual trust. Information is best shared when you trust the other person. Looking to hear your response.

posted @ Wednesday, August 01, 2012 12:46 AM by Kailesh Rajdev


Thanks for sharing Mike, good stuff as always and I totally agree. I am always telling my team, and partners in sales that it cannot be US vs THEM. WE are in this together-I only care about hitting the end number not who's leads got us there. My job is to make sales' life easier, and if we are not making their job easier then I need to adjust our approach. If the marketing leads convert at a lower rate, or lower velocity, or with a lower ASP, then our effort is inefficient in the true economic definition of the term.  
 
But with that agreement comes responsibility. Sales needs to provide timely feedback, they need to work everything and follow the reporting process so I can track the efficacy of my team's efforts and adjust as needed.  
 
And that also means I challenge them when I hear "these leads suck" and the numbers don't back that up. I show them the math, and make sure I have it right. And in true partnership however, if they really do suck, we own up to that too. Its only by being mutually accountable can the relationship really work.  
 
To be true partners though also means building good relationships. We have an open sales floor... the members of my marketing team that run the demand gen activity and interact with sales the most sit on that floor. I usually personally sit there on Fridays as well. And I am always willing to take a sales call, or make a sales call. By showing that we are living their world, and understand the challenges they face, they see that me and my team is working toward a shared purpose.  
 
Of course, it doesn't always work, but we at least have a framework for a discussion when it goes wrong.  
 
-Aaron  
@ajdun

posted @ Friday, August 03, 2012 12:10 PM by Aaron


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